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California Courts Continue to Be a Catalyst of Social Division

November 6, 2008 by Randy  
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I originally wrote in a comment on this post …

The judges made their erroneous decision against the will of the people and created scenario that caused very high expectations to be broken.

I was pleasantly surprised when a gay blogger makes the exact same observation and expands it very astutely … (emphasis mine, quote and more thoughts after the jump.)


Last night, protestors rallied in West Hollywood and San Francisco. Perhaps were I not drained from my election coverage and saddened by my party’s loss, I might have headed to the former rally to observe. I understand why people are upset.

But, I blame the court even more than the people who voted “Yes” on 8. The justices gave false hope to gay marriage advocates. They overturned a popular initiative, fully aware that the state constitution allows initiatives which could have overturned their decision.

And now, as if to further social divisions on this controversial subject, gay marriage advocates “filed a challenge to Proposition 8,” yesterday, “telling the State Supreme Court that the state’s ‘initiative procedure cannot be used to undermine the constitution’s core commitment to equality for everyone.‘”

I shake my head is disbelief. A court decision caused a popular backlash. And now they want to go back to the courts.

[From GayPatriot » The Sore Losers of “No on 8?]

I got an email from a friend yesterday that said New York may be the first state to actually draft original legislation … from the legislature … not the bench … which would accommodate the gay redefinition of marriage. The state legislature is now completely under the control of Democrats and the Governor has already expressed he would be for redefining marriage. It shouldn’t be long before a bill is drafted, passed and signed into law legalizing same sex marriage in New York.

If I lived there I would still oppose it but I can certainly respect that process a heck of a lot better than two parties arguing in front of a panel of judges only to be decided by half +1 of the judges.

Of course it could be argued that if we had gone down that road, and seen the passage of same sex marriage, the title of this post would probably be “California Legislature Continues to be …” But, I think it would be a more civil a process.

Or maybe I am just dreaming. With all of that said, it still doesn’t change the awful cultural divisions we are experiencing right now. I keep praying that God has mercy on us *all.*

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    The CA legislature TWICE tried to pass a bill authorizing same sex marriages however our Governor vetoed it TWICE saying he wanted to wait and see how the courts ruled. Further, I don't believe that civil rights should ever be left to the hands of the electorate. For the will always choose to remain in power. Courts have regularly advanced the cause of the oppressed.
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    I seriously forgot about the legislative actions in California.

    Marriage isn't a civil right. It is a socially and legally defined benefit. Start talking about marriage as a legal benefit and you have my attention. As long as you frame it wrongly as a civil right you diffuse what true civil rights are and infuse a level of vitriol that isn't necessary.

    Neither I nor you have to be married to be treated equal and live in freedom.
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    and along with that. California's legislative route doesn't nullify my point. I think it is the better way to go (even though I don't want to see it succeed.) I think it is the better way to go because there are all kinds of people to have to hash it out and be accountable for it. AND it utilizes the check and balances of two of the three branches.

    And you will like the courts being the "defender of the oppressed" ... well ... until it is the courts that start oppressing you and you have no other recourse.
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    and La Shawn is hopping mad about this being equated to civil rights as well http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2008/11/07/bi...
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    So you think that court rulings in cases like Brown vs. Education or Loving vs. Virginia were wrong? That it is wrong to seek ones equal rights through courts? Well, it most certainly is in line with your other actions of hatred.

    You aligned yourself with the most vicious anti-gay propagandists on the face of earth. You joined people who pary for the demise and destruction of our lives. With people like Dobson who mere five years ago campaigned ferociously for jailing gays for being gay. Do you still believe that opverturning sodomy statutes were wrong and would you be willing to jail all the gays living in Texas to a huge concentration camps? Your friends werre in facvor of them and opposed gays seeking justice and equal rights through courts... how about you?

    Do you dispapprove that gays dare to stand up for their rights? You say that you "feel for gays" whose lives and relationships you have spat on, about whom you have lied and slandered for years. You. a "man" who advocates for stripping our rights and who is paid by the most vicious anti-gay hate group, Focus on The Family?

    We gays are truly the niggers of todays America. Thousands of Christians prayed in san Diego so that we would be hurt as much as possible. Christian and mormon acrvists hurl insults and spread vicious lies that seek to defame us, to make us look dangerous, to make people despise us... there is no limit what people like you are willing to do in order to hurt us.

    You gat your lioving from hurting us. Own it you bigot. You celebrated and were overjoyed when thousands of gay couples were spat on through majority vote. Own it and rejoice, you truly have hurt and insulted us deeply. You have caused immeasurable pain to your fellow citizens so the least you can so is to be honest aboiut it. You succeedced in hurting us, I hope that some day you get to feel the pain gay couoples in California gfeel now. Thousandfold.

    Your hate will one day come back at you and devour you. And that day I will be there celebrating and rejoicing like you rejoice every time we get hurt. I truly despise you and everything you represent. I see you as a Jew sees a neonazi.

    And I know you'll remove thsi mesage but i don't mind. At least I got to say to you what I think of you and your lying spirit.
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    We gays are truly the n* of todays America. Thousands of Christians prayed in san Diego so that we would be hurt as much as possible. Christian and mormon acrvists hurl insults and spread vicious lies that seek to defame us, to make us look dangerous, to make people despise us... there is no limit what people like you are willing to do in order to hurt us.


    I bolded the part where I think you are the pot calling the kettle black. Your whole comment is a degrading personal attack filled with lies meant to shock and defame myself and people of similar beliefs. You have bought the lie that Christians want to make you hurt and then turn around and say you would be rejoicing over my destruction.

    You don't do yourself or your cause any favors acting like this and believing the absolute worst about your opponent. Assuming the negative only empowers those seeking to benefit off of stoking and inflaming your rage.

    I never rejoice over others pain. I am being honest about that. If I ever do get "devoured" it won't be because of my hate ... I don't hate you. Also, if destruction does come my way I will be praying for your soul to be blessed with an awareness of God's love and redemption as I fall.

    I know a lot of Christians and a few of the Mormons in California and not a single one of them did this to cause *you* pain. If you can't wrap your head around that then you truly have no clue as to how your opponent thinks.

    Putting my moderator hat on:

    Hugo, don't ever use the N* word on my blog again and take a deep breath and change your tone. Otherwise, thanks for commenting but I won't allow rants like that to continue.
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    and as for the lie that I work for Dr. Dobson ... I wish Focus on the Family signed my paycheck ... maybe I'd get a raise then.

    But, I am actually glad that my salary doesn't come from them. I love their ministry but it is different than what we do at Exodus. What I do from 9-5 is deal with issues of equipping the church with the redemptive message Exodus brings. I help with our Professional Counselors, Member Ministries and Member Churches. We have 210 Member agencies that I and a decent sized staff oversee/serve. We are appointed to serve those three networks and their needs.

    Plus, I am involved in a myriad of other things done at Exodus that I know Focus On the Family appreciates but is not called to do.

    Again, we do have moments of public policy involvement, and I talk about it here on my personal blog but my *job* might focus on public policy 1-3% of my overall attention. Again, there are moments and those who hate us latch on to that and use it to generate lies and mischaracterize us.

    Don't become what you hate Hugo.
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    Yeah, I'm just a little miffed. I opened comments to that post.
 

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